Wednesday, December 24, 2008

Obama Gripe #2

Maybe this is a petty gripe, but I have a few problems with Obama's pick of Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at his inauguration.

First, of course, is Warren's anti-gay stance. I understand that Obama may be trying to reach across the isle and win some evangelical support, but would he accept an invocation by a pastor who opposes interracial marriage? And let's not forget that Warren is not just opposed to gay marriage, but has said that practicing and unrepentant homosexuals cannot join his congregation. What if he didn't let black people join his church? Or immigrants, or the handicapped, or any particular group of people? Where should we draw the line on accepting those who perpetuate hate?

My second issue here is why do we have an invocation at the inauguration of our president? What happened to the separation of church and state? Can't we have an official state function, from Congress to the courts to the inauguration of our president, that doesn't begin with appealing to sky fairies?


nunya said...

Environmental Spill Disaster Devastates Tennessee; 48 Times the Size of Exxon Valdez

By Matthew McDermott, TreeHugger. Posted December 25, 2008.

Approximately 500 million gallons of coal ash sludge has broken through a holding pond at a coal-fired plant

I'm not an "ecofanatic" I just think that living things should be kept far away from irresponsible business owners in the US, of which there are many.

HeatherAnnastasia said...

See, this is another way that eco-people are religious. There's this all-or-nothing, good-and-evil mentality.

I disagree with the anti-humanity ideology of over-population, so you assume that I hate the environment and I'm all for corporations raping the environment for their own profit.

The thing about being a humanist, and being pro-humanity, is that I care greatly about the environment and nature. It doesn't benefit us to allow those in power to destroy our home to satisfy their own unquenchable greed. I also care about animals because they are our brethren. I'm the kind of person that scoops a spider up in a cup and takes it outside because I can't step on it.

Here's something for you to think about; would you consider George Bush I a fellow eco-ally, or a pro-corporation big-oil rapist of the environment? This a no-brainer, right? Well, did you know that world overpopulation is a major concern of the Bush family? So much so that they have put serious funding into forced sterilization programs in the U.S. and around the world. Hmmm... why would the Bush family care so much about population control? I guess because they're good people who care about Mother Earth, and I'm an evil person who hates clean air and fuzzy animals.

I accept submissions, by the way, if you'd like to start a thread here on the environment.

nunya said...

How about some links to prove your points? It's one of the things most people learn in school, you know, to cite your sources? Bloggers generally do it also.

and you say "It doesn't benefit us to allow those in power to destroy our home to satisfy their own unquenchable greed."

Um, no shit. How are you going to make that happen? You think the government will protect you? Who the fuck you think is running the government? Watching the news lately? Which toxic waste ignoring corporate greedfest will we bail out next?

Have you seen The Corporation ? It's a fascinating if biased study of what corporate law emphasizes and requires.

Read the Shock Doctrine?

How about studied when and where and why superfund sites exist and the required clean up is being farmed out (to the co owned by the Bushes, ain't that a gas bwaa hahahahahah) or pushed back by endless court dates. My father-in-law worked on one for years. He has really serious health issues, and I swear my husband is brain damaged from whatever was in the groundwater and the chemicals he's exposed to on a daily basis on his job. My father-in-law saw firsthand what one of the companies did to people he worked with. The CEO of that company went on to be appointed treasury secretary by Baby Bush.

Do you read a half dozen articles sent out from the FindLaw listserv daily?

I do, I have been for ten years. I get excited when the litte guy gets a tort judgement from a big corporation and then watch as over time the judgement is slowly whittled down by cadres of corporate lawyers, until even the medical bills aren't paid, or the plaintiff dies. Sadly, it's easier to win against the government than it is to win against a huge corporate interest, and the biggest companies are usually guilty of tort.

So be careful with your spiders, I'm sure it makes you feel good.

Heather Annastasia said...

I just don't understand where your anger is coming from. You are ranting and raving and cussing at me about things that I already agree with! Are you so angry you can't even think??

Yes, I've watched The Corporation. I thought it was great. And scary.

I cite my sources, you come here enough to know that. If I threw out a comment off the top of my head and you'd like more information on something I mentioned, you can ask without pretending like I don't know what citation is. Unlike you, I am an actual writer and I get published on paper, not just on my blog. And anyway, when most bloggers throw citations around, it's usually from cites they googled and half-read because it looked like it proved their point. Often it doesn't.

I mentioned the spider to show you the kind of person I am. It's not that I put bugs outside rather than step on them because it makes me feel good, it's because I can't step on them. I can't bring myself to take their life. They're just trying to make it through this world the best they can, just like the rest of us. Why on earth would that piss you off?? Are you just so pissed that it doesn't matter what I say? Have you blown a gasket in your logic center (you are continuing to argue points I already agree with because you don't have a point to make on the one thing we don't agree on). Or are you a self-righteous humanity-hating hypocrite who kills innocent bugs??

What I would really like to know is how someone who says they read as much as you do can't come up with a single point to refute me on the only thing we disagree on. And you're so proud of all the reading you do, but what have you actually done for the cause you're so enraged about? You're sitting in your home using electricity with your toxic AND plastic computer frothing at the mouth about how humans are destroying the Earth. And how many trees were cut down to make all those magazines for the last ten years? Go live in a cave if it bothers you so much! Or if you're so worried about our population, take yourself ad all your potential offspring out of the equation.

nunya said...

Happy New Year :)

Heather Annastasia said...

Happy New Year!

datadog said...

nunya and HeatherAnnastasia where can I get the Bush family connections. And Oh! yeah! why do we care when he is out of office. Unless we have evidence to convict or fine a company what is the point. Obama's the one that has the power and the Media. I have not known one administration that had the Media so much in love with them.
Why is no one talking about the fact that if Undocumented workers don't have a stake in our country I.E. a social security number. They don't care about any fines or cheap health care. Paying nothing is what they do now and that's good for them. Meanwhile my state is facing a budget deficit trying to pay for people who should not be in my country. I say no papers no coverage, stabilize and ship to a free clinic. Why should an undocumented immigrant get better health care than my family. I pay taxes and use no welfare.

Anonymous said...

Washington is nothing but lies and deception. Wake up America it's big government against the people not Republicans against Democrats. The whole system is about the rich controling the poor.

Heather said...

Anonymous: I agree, but I think the basic ideology of the Democrats is more in tune with working folks (that is not to say that democrats themselves live up to the party's ideology). The Republican ideology is more in line with rich folks.

The recent makeover of FOX news with their pseudo-populist "we don't hate democrats; we hate big government" propaganda is nothing more than rich republican wolves is sheep's clothing.